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Meta-Work: How Do We Know We’re Making the Right Choices?

Meta-Work: How Do We Know We’re Making the Right Choices?

Nate and Jason are back in Portland, which means …
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Nate and Jason are back in Portland, which means we no longer have excuses not to record new episodes! 😅
How do people make choices? What mental models, frameworks, and other factors go into making those choices. And more importantly, _where the hell do those mental models come from_?
In this episode, Nate and Jason talk about how they built their own decision-making frameworks by borrowing ideas from business, doing concentrated exercises to help them identify what they’re especially good at, and doing the meta-work to decide what they really care about in the first place.
Discussed in this podcast:
- Yak Shaving/Meta-Work:
- Eben Pagan:
- Refocus:
Episode ID: 1000429207461
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Release Date: 04/02/2019, 19:32:07


Two Friends Talking About Things (2FTAT [TOOF-tat] for short) is a recorded series of conversations between long-time friends Jason Lengstorf ( and Nate Green (
For Nate and Jason, personal growth and development has always been a primary focus. And deep, brutally honest conversations about their successes, failures, challenges, and fears have played a critical role in that personal development.
But it’s a little unusual for grown men to have best friends. And it’s pretty intimidating to have a truly open conversation with a stranger.
2FTAT is not a replacement for real conversation, but it’s an attempt to open a window into the kinds of deep conversations that have helped shape Nate and Jason into the people they are today, and that will help them continue to develop into better people as time goes on. (They hope.)
For a full intro and statement of goals, listen to the What Are We Talking About episode:

Customer Reviews

Great stuff

Fantastic podcast, I have listened to the first 3 episodes back to back and will continue later with the others.
Interesting conversation topics, if you are interested in improving yourself and self development.
I didn't agree with all comments and thoughts straight away and it really made me think deeply about my own views.
Highly recommended.

Easy to listen too with interesting insights.

I found out about Nate years ago through his StoB days and have always really enjoyed his views on things since then.
This is no different and his friend Jason is exactly like him - knowledgeable, rational, interesting and he’s got a voice that suits being on Radio…
Well worth a listen!