In this conversation with Barry Stevens, Col. Larry Wilkerson argues that the United States has utterly destroyed the international legal order it once led in creating, eroding its legitimacy, and turning it into a global pariah. He says the war with Iran is strategically self-defeating: to win, Iran only has to survive, while the U.S. and Israel require a decisive victory that remains elusive. One consequence could be a global recession. Meanwhile, China benefits from American overreach without direct confrontation. In the long run, Wilkerson warns, the real danger is not just war itself but the collapse of cooperation on the defining challenges of climate change and nuclear weapons—problems no country can solve alone.

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Release Date: 09/04/2026, 21:52:08